What Then Say You
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What Then Say You
Grafted Into One Family: Christians, Jews, And The Light We Share
Headlines can numb us, but some moments demand that we stop, pray, and search our hearts. With anti‑Semitism flaring during Hanukkah, we pause our usual format to ask a hard question: if we grieve for persecuted Christians, do we also mourn with the Jewish people—our family in the story of God?
We begin by naming the bond Scripture gives us. Grafted into the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob through the blood of Jesus, we aren’t spectators to Israel’s pain. We explore how replacement theology drained compassion from parts of the Church, and why recovering our roots is not about legalism but about love, memory, and fidelity to God’s promises. Join the worldwide Jewish reading with us today!
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Hey, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, whatever time it is that you are tuning in. Hopefully it is today, December 14th. Um like you guys, if you watch the news, you woke up this morning to craziness going on in Australia. Um an attack on uh a Jewish community um celebrating Hanukkah. And um it's crazy the anti-Semitism that's happening in the world right now. Um and as Christians, as believers in Jesus Christ, um I think there's a misunderstanding that needs to be addressed uh immediately. Uh so no, this isn't your typical podcast. This is just um we're doing it a little different. And we need to stand in unity with Israel and with every uh our Jewish brothers and sisters. Um and I say that not not lightly either. Um the analogy that got kind of pressed on my spirit this morning was that um for some odd reason, right, if you imagine a mother and a father, you know, um Christians in America, we're like, you know, on the mother's side of the family. And the the Jews, you know, the Israelites, they are on the father's side of that family. And and somehow along the way, um there is this divorce that took place, and we don't talk about, we don't care about, we don't remember, we don't reflect, we don't invite anybody from our father's side to the barbecue. Uh we don't invite anybody's to the father's side to, you know, to any weddings or any fist uh festivals that we have, and and they're celebrating their own thing, they're doing their own thing, and and we're living like we are not grafted into this family. Um, we were not, you know, by the blood of Christ, um, Yahshua, his his Jewish name, right? Like by the by his blood um and by the Holy Spirit being poured out amongst all flesh, we were grafted into this family. But somehow, somehow in America, we've kind of like separated, you know, and and we've talked replacement theology before, but you know, as Christians, I'm I'm telling you now, I'm giving you just this heads up, like to assume that, you know, when our brothers are afflicted, when they're being persecuted, um, you know, the same outcry that we had when, you know, that person shot up the church in North Carolina, the same outcry we had when whenever uh when when that person shot up and drove his truck into a church in Texas, um, the same outcry we would have right now if in America Christians were targeted or persecuted, the same outcry we have when Christians are persecuted in other countries and other nations being held without bond and in China and Iran and in the Middle East, that same inkling of affliction that we have when we think of Christians being persecuted, um we too must share in the same sentiment whenever the Jews or the Israelis or people are coming against them. Like that's our family. And to say anything else would be, you know, blasphemy against the word of God. Because ultimately, when we say that we believe in the Bible, right, when we say Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that's that's them. There's I get it, and I get our modern church doesn't really dive into that. We have Christmas, we don't really talk about Hanukkah, we don't really do any of these things that are Jewish in nature because we're trying not to be legalistic, we're trying not to be tied in. But as we pursue Christ, as we pursue understanding who our Father is, as we pursue understanding who God is, you cannot in any way, shape, or form discount the Jew. Period. Right? And so we're in some crazy times, but today what I wanted to do was I wanted to share in the reading, and my my my hands are shaking and I'm so convicted in this matter, but I want to share in this reading, right, that is being read everywhere in the world there is a Jew. They're reading the same thing today. And in modern Christianity, we don't have that type of connection. We don't have the same scripture being read every Sunday in every church, right? We're not all of one mind thinking about the same sermon topic or sermon series that I'm sure a lot of churches are going through right now for Christmas. Um, but but for the Jews, they have the what I'm about to read, every Jew in the world is reading, whether they're messianic or orthodox, whether they know Yahshua the Messiah or not, they're still at least reading this section of scripture. And it is in Numbers chapter 7. And that's what we're going to read this morning. Um it says, On the day Moses finished putting up the tabernacle, he anointed and consecrated it, all its furnishings and the altar with its utensils. After anointing and consecrating them, the leaders of Israel, who were the heads of their fathers fathers' clans, made an offering. These were the tribal leaders in charge of those counted in the census. They brought their offering before Adonai, six covered wagons and twelve oxen, a wagon for every two leaders and for one for each an ox, and presented them in front of the tabernacle. Adonai said to Moses, Receive these from them. They are to be used for the service in the tent of meeting. Give them to the Levites, to each as needed for his duties. So Moses took the wagons and oxen and gave them to the Levites. He gave two wagons and four oxen to the descendants of Gershon in keeping with the needs of their duties. Four wagons and eight oxen he gave to the descendants the descendants of Mirir, in keeping with the needs of their duties, directed by Itmar, the son of Aaron, the Kohen. But to the descendants of Kat he gave none because their duties involved the holy articles which they carried on their own shoulders. The leaders brought the offering for dedicating the altar on the day it was anointed. The leaders brought their offering before the altar, and Adonai said to Moses, They are to present their offerings to dedicate the altar, each leader on his own day. Nashin the son of Aminadav from the tribe of Judah presented his offering on the first day. He offered one silver dish weighing 130 shekels, three and a quarter pounds, and one silver basin of seventy shekels, using the sanctuary shekel, one and three quarter pounds, both full of fine flour mixed with olive oil for a grain offering, one gold pan of ten shekels, full of incense, one young bull, one ram, one male lamb in his first year as a burnt offering, one male goat as a sin offering, and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs in their first year. This was the offering of Nashan the son of Aminadav. So that's the Torah reading, right? And just imagine what you just heard, what you just listened to, and if you opened up your own Bible yourself and read number seven, uh verses one through seventeen, one through eighteen, you too like shared in something that transcends the history of Christianity, right? And it and it ties back all the way pre-Christ, it ties back to the era of the Maccabees, when you think about the first time, you know, your uh a Hitler-like situation was occurring in is in Israeli history where you know the the killing and the murdering of all Jews would have taken place had not, you know, history unfolded the way that it unfolded. Um, and so you know, the Jews in Israel are not, you know, it's not a novel idea that someone's always out to get them, someone's always trying to eliminate the entire race of the Jewish people. But it makes sense because the Jewish people have always been favored by God. They were the chosen, God's chosen people, right? And we've been grafted into that same family. And so now I'm gonna read what every Messianic Jew is reading this morning. And that's in John 9. And it says, As Yeshua passed along, he saw a blind man from birth. Histalmidine asked him, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, to cause him to be born blind? Yeshua answered, His blindness is due neither to his sin nor that of his parents. It happened so that God's power might be seen at work in him. As long as it is day, we must keep doing the work of the one who sent me. The night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world. Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with his saliva, put the mud on the man's eyes, and said to him, Go wash off in the pool of shallow. That means sent. So he went and washed and came away seeing. His neighbors and those who previously had seen him begging said, Isn't this the man who used to sit and beg? Some said, Yes, he's the one, while others said, No, but he looks like him. However, he himself said, I am the one. How are your eyes open? They asked him. He answered, The man called Yeshua, made mud, put it on my eyes, and told me, Go to Shalok and wash. So I went, and as soon as I had washed I could see. They said to him, Where is he? And he replied, I don't know. They took the man who had been blind to the Pusham. Now the day on which Yeshua had made the mud and opened his eyes with Shabbat. So the Pusham asked him again, how he become how had he become able to see, and he told them, He put mud on my eyes, and then I washed, and now I can see. At this some of the Purushim said, This man is not from God because he doesn't keep Shabbat. But others said, How could a man who is a sinner do miracles like these? And there was a split among them. So once more they spoke to the blind man, Since you are the one whose eyes he opened, what do you say about him? He replied, He is a prophet. The Judeans, however, were unwilling to believe that he had formerly been blind, but now could see, and they had summoned the man's parents. They asked him, Is this your son who you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see? His parents answered, We know that this is our son and that he was born blind, but how is it that he can see now we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him, he's old enough, he can speak for himself. The parents said this because they were afraid of the Judeans, for they banned from the cynic for for being banned from the synagogue. This is why his parents said, He isn't old enough, ask him. And then chapter ten, verse twenty-two. Then came Hanukkah in Jerusalem. It was winter, and Yeshua was walking around inside the temple area in Solomon's colonnade. So the Judeans surrounded him and said to him, How much longer are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us publicly. Yeshua would answer them, I have already told you, and you don't trust me. The works I do in my father's name testify on my behalf. But the reason you don't trust is that you are not included among my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice, I recognize them, they follow me, and I give them eternal life. They will absolutely never be destroyed, and no one will snatch them from my hands. My father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one can snatch them from my father's hand. I and the Father are one. You just got to, we all just got to share part in readings from the Jewish community, the messianic Jewish community, and I would argue all Christians should be, you know, acknowledging and reading this on their own as well. Um I was convicted today, um, and I'm going to, you know, read every daily reading of Hanukkah this year and try to dig deeper into my heritage, right? And like into the family that I was grafted into. And I challenge you to do the same if it's on your spirit. Just pray about it. Ask God, God, and have I replaced, you know, have I practiced in replacement theology? Have I have I subtracted Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Have I just made this an American adventure that's Christianity and that grace is abound, and that, you know, once saved, always saved, and that at some point in history, you know, you you changed your promise. You you you changed what you wrote in Genesis and in Exodus and Numbers and Leviticus, you changed that and then molded it into something new that it's only applicable to me. If that's you, repent. I I would argue that you need to repent for that, and that you need to acknowledge that yes, yes and yes, yes and amen, that it is both spiritual and it is both tangible that you were grafted in, but you know, Jew and Gentile, that's still a thing. That word didn't get erased. Nowhere in scripture did it say that, you know, Gentiles aren't really Gentiles anymore if they believe in Jesus, that now they're just like angels, right? Like it doesn't subtract away from who we are, but it's the heart of the matter as we pursue our Father in heaven, as we pursue being set apart, as we pursue being righteous, as we as we pursue being the light in the world, right? Because ultimately, what Hanukkah is representing, what what this text is representing, right, especially with the Messianic reading, is simply put, you know, Jesus is the light. Yeshua is the light. That light should be reflecting in us, right? That light never burns out, you know. And so ultimately, as American Christians, if we're if we're sitting over here and we're we're we're casting a shadow, we're putting that light under a bushel by by not illuminating the full truth and full transparency, we're doing a disservice, right? We're doing a disservice to our whole family. And so I pray that this encouraged you. I pray that this blessed you, and I pray that this causes you to seek a deeper relationship with not only our Father, not only Yeshua, but the understanding of the whole word of the Bible and how it's applicable to us even today in the modern day Christian church. Y'all have a blessed week, and I will see you tomorrow.